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+7ANONdur gargy Anonagi Char Aznable mudkips xenubarb N.A.T.E 11 posters | |
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N.A.T.E OT 2
Posts : 11 Join date : 2008-07-11
| Subject: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:23 pm | |
| Greetings from New York City. I'm Anonymous, however when a handle is required of me I go by N.A.T.E. You may remember me from such films as Anonymous Sends John Carmichael off the deep end, in which I shined my surefire flashlight in his fucking face & reduced him to batshit insanity. Those of you going to DC in a week 'n a half, I will see you there. Operations in NY have been winding down a bit because ever since then, the NY Orgs & personal have turtled and gone through great lengths to avoid any and all confrontation with us. While this is win, it is also boring. To adapt to this, I've created several threads on Anon general discussion boards entitled "Expanding Operations," outlining additional CoS targets not overtly affilliated with the Org, with a specific focus on Narconon. I present it to you as copypasta for your consideration, and ask only that you forward it to Anon contacts in the LA area with an adendum refurencing the new school there that Will Smith is opening and promoting - which is a complete scilon front. I won't be back to the forum often to discuss this with you, as my efforts/life in NYC will be keeping me busy.
Chanology's been at this for about 6 months now, during which we've taken a lot of ground from the CoS and caused major down-stats and sewn inner self-destruction. In New York City, they can barely operate in their own back yards now, and they certainly aren't making any money by pushing the hubbard spiritual tech or the free stress tests. But they still have other vehicles to make money and introduce it to other's lives, almost covertly. The NY orgs now avoid confrontation completely. When we show up, they turtle. They'd rather operate in darkness than look at a single V outside. I imagine that anon enjoys similar success in other cities. This ground ought to remain occupied for the single fact that they should be not be allowed the luxury of retaking it. Now however, it's time to cutting off the cash where it really hurts - we've halted they're advances, lets push them back.
We have 5 scieno targets to consider, all need to be dealt with in due time.
Target one is Narconon, and I feel it necessary to write about it first because it's the easiest to consider. This it the most covert fashion that the CoS uses to recruit people. On the surface it's an easy PR boost - get people off of drugs, right? Underneath, it's get people indoctrinated, and have them pay for it. It seems the least connected with anything to do with scientology and seems to have everything to do with helping people create and live in a better world for themselves, and our conventional raiding tactics might do the best job here - raiding/raising public awareness. Be aware that the very first obvious counter attack you'll have to deal with is that we're simply a bunch of assholes deliberately hurting something that helps people when deep down inside there's something really wrong with us. Simply respond with the truth. Also, there are people inside of Narconon who are probably unaware of the connections to Scientology. Get to them, and get them out before it's too late. Remember: you are dealing with vulnerable people, be prepared to show them that there is help elsewhere. In b4 moralfaggotry: to you /b/tards who are still with us, remember that Narconon programs are not free, and the more people you can get to leave + the more information you can get circulating around the inside = the more money the CoS loses, & the more PO'd the directors will get, and eventually they will confront - they know no other way of dealing with their frustrations with SPs. Incoming lulz. People there can't be ordered not to speak to us and expected to obey like people in the church structure can. This can drum up easy support from from actual organizations such as AA. I know that many of them have religious leanings of their own, but not covertly so. From a tactical perspective, we can use this to our advantage. Don't go to the extremes of calling them satanists because that'll just make us sound like kids trying to cause trouble, but make them aware of the cultish tendancies and how they draw people in.
Targets 2, 3, & 4 are the CCHR, WISE, the Scientology-based Delphi Academy schools, and the "reformed" Cult Awareness Network. WISE is most likely the better target because they target the economy itself, looking to sell hubbard's management tech to businesses both large & small. We in NYC are leaning toward Delphi. We need some more information on these targets before planning a tactical strategy on those directions, and any suggestions I have will make most of you look at this post and say tl;dr.
Speaking of which - tl;dr: goddamnit go back up and start reading, fucker
tl;dr Commence secondary Target and targets of opportunity <3 Char | |
| | | xenubarb CLEAR
Posts : 659 Join date : 2008-05-03
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:02 pm | |
| You forgot 'Youth For Human Rights,' a group that targets college kids and in too many cases, convinces them to abandon their education to follow Scientology.
Re: Narconon. I posted similar to Ent a few months ago, that Narconon really needed to be featured in a global raid, and the excuses from various commentators suggests it'll never happen. | |
| | | mudkips OT 3
Posts : 42 Join date : 2008-06-20
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:06 pm | |
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| | | xenubarb CLEAR
Posts : 659 Join date : 2008-05-03
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:21 pm | |
| Sterling is part of WISE. There are quite a few of those Sterling-type "business management" scams under WISE. | |
| | | Char Aznable Wog Squad
Posts : 419 Join date : 2008-05-02 Location : TEH REI
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:28 pm | |
| WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE AND STOP TAKING OVER OUR FORUM
One, we basically have a good foothold on our city and the org, so we never really have gotten a "Puthy" incident in any regard as the rest of the world has.
As a single Anon, I think we are doing fine, we already have our own plates full in this microcosm for the moment and we will put this on the back burner for the moment.
Two, please don't swagger in here like a big shot posting an informative but severely TL;DR post, reason being we are smaller than the rest of the other factions of legion and we are doing just fine, considering our Org has turtled up ever since we started, and where only so bold last protest to send out their big guns and actual toss out an OT8 to disseminate their Anonz=bad flyers.
In other words, we are fine for now, but we can sure appreciate the /b/lack up other cities might be able to spare. | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:14 pm | |
| This couldn't have been posted on Enturbulation? I admire your spirit for this type of stuff, but yeah. Posting this here is not going to get any groundwork done, it needs to go on Enturb.
San Diego is one of the smallest Anon cels and we're also one of the most effective in Chanology. We're the only ones who have successfully faked out our Org, we're putting together the largest outreach project to reach people so far in Chanology, we're publishing a comic book because nobody stepped up to do it beyond the "Hey would this be a good idea?" type thing, we flashraid at LEAST twice a week all with a very small group of Anons.
TL;DR: San Diego doesn't talk. San Diego gets shit done. | |
| | | gargy OT 6
Posts : 106 Join date : 2008-06-03 Location : NOT on Planet $cientology any more
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:24 pm | |
| ^^^^this
w00t!
and AnonChar's too
San Diego Anon rocks it! | |
| | | xenubarb CLEAR
Posts : 659 Join date : 2008-05-03
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:08 pm | |
| We're one of Chanology's smallest cels? Maybe so, but we sure are ANIMATED... | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:14 pm | |
| Loud noise, smoke and mirrors and all that | |
| | | Char Aznable Wog Squad
Posts : 419 Join date : 2008-05-02 Location : TEH REI
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:21 pm | |
| - Anonagi wrote:
- Loud noise, smoke and mirrors and all that
Industrial Smoke and Mirrors AKA Industrial Light and Magic | |
| | | ANONdur CLEAR
Posts : 494 Join date : 2008-06-10
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:12 pm | |
| What is with the hostility? If you look back at what we're writing in response to someone who is suggesting something quite sane, I think we are giving every reason to do something like this.
We know that our org is hurting, that it's not going anywhere useful. Proof in what we know about Saturday. Then how are our hands full? I'm not saying I want to go raid Narconon tomorrow, but I think it isn't all that unreasonable to start looking at how else we can hurt them.
How much money are they really losing as a result of our shutting down the org? We are surely disseminating information that will hurt their influx of new members, and we are closing them down on some of those days so they can't even receive them twice a week or so. But is that where all their money comes from?
Think about this. We know there is a big fundraiser event tomorrow, and we know who is going. Scilons. The kind that already are in. The kind that park inside while we're raiding and are lead into the org. That's the kind of people they milk money out of. That's the kind of people reaching would really hurt. Raiding helps us do that. I think there are other ways we can use our resources.
If we can raid twice a week, we can raid somewhere else once a month, surely. Look at how much people are paying to be given vitamins and getting in a sauna. If that's not a money making scheme, I don't know what is. This is an organization that not only is shady as a medical institution, it is shady as an institution period.
It is an organization that claims to be secular, but has strong ties to a specific religion. Why does it get public funding?
It is an organization that has caused the deaths of people coming in seeking treatment.
And what kind of treatment are they getting, anyway? Is the real cure to drugs vitamins and a shit ton of niacin?
How is the lack of psychiatric care helpful? If anything I think it is detrimental to their program to not have a psychiatrist to walk you through the painful process.
I understand we may have a little too much this month to consider this. I understand we may have too much in our own lives to spend our resources over there too. I do not understand, though, shooting this down as something unimportant.
I agree with you, anonagi, in that we have a very efficient machine. We have a small group of anonymous who close the org down regularly, parade downtown on busy nights disseminating tons of information. People know us, agree with us, and want us to do well. We also have CCI and Gay Pride, two events that will surely place scientology in the sights of many people who may not have given it much thought.
If, as you state, San Diego gets shit done why don't we seriously considering getting this shit done?
I also don't understand why we are so hostile to N.A.T.E. in the first few responses. I sure wouldn't want to be treated that way if I was merely informing people of an additional method we could use.
We are a very good group of anonymous, and I love us for it. We get shit done. I am just suggesting that we not be too hostile to other people's ideas. They may be good, they may be bad. | |
| | | Char Aznable Wog Squad
Posts : 419 Join date : 2008-05-02 Location : TEH REI
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:38 pm | |
| - ANONdur wrote:
- What is with the hostility? If you look back at what we're writing in response to someone who is suggesting something quite sane, I think we are giving every reason to do something like this.
I also don't understand why we are so hostile to N.A.T.E. in the first few responses. I sure wouldn't want to be treated that way if I was merely informing people of an additional method we could use.
We are a very good group of anonymous, and I love us for it. We get shit done. I am just suggesting that we not be too hostile to other people's ideas. They may be good, they may be bad. He came in without introducing himself really properly in a somewhat attempt to herd cats. We are not independent of enturb in many sense, but Individual Anon cells are not telling each other what to do, if this was adressed more of a suggestion rather than what the tl;dr herding cats post, we would have considred in more open arms. We will take the idea but presenting it like this is somewhat "I HAVE THE CONCH AND LISTEN TO ME" STAY ON TARGET! | |
| | | ANONdur CLEAR
Posts : 494 Join date : 2008-06-10
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:48 pm | |
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| | | gargy OT 6
Posts : 106 Join date : 2008-06-03 Location : NOT on Planet $cientology any more
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:49 pm | |
| - ANONdur wrote:
It is an organization that claims to be secular, but has strong ties to a specific religion. Why does it get public funding?
what public funding do you think they are getting? I wasn't aware of any (city, state, county, federal). just saying... | |
| | | ANONdur CLEAR
Posts : 494 Join date : 2008-06-10
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:51 pm | |
| On another forum someone who supposedly was pretty high up in a Narconon place said they were getting grant money from the government and lying out of their noses about their connections to scientology. | |
| | | gargy OT 6
Posts : 106 Join date : 2008-06-03 Location : NOT on Planet $cientology any more
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:00 am | |
| wtf? yes, i guess that does happen. those fuckers.
you can't know how horrible it is to think of the $$ my husband and I gave them every time they said there was some emergency and they had to have more money right away. and that's what they're doing to their "parishioners" now. they're hitting them hard.
and then to hear shit like this: grants!!??
and it really pisses me off that they've been getting away with so much shit for so long and now we're so close to pulling their house of cards down.
okay, i just need to take a few deep breaths.
sorry -- off topic | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:07 pm | |
| My main issue with the post was that he was posting this EVERYWHERE on decentralized forums not as asking for help on focusing the issue, but that we should be focusing on it. This is the type of stuff that would have been better posted on Enturbulation where the researchers and everything else coul have found NarCONon and other front groups (all of which we know about) in their own cities.
Usually poeple that go around and post ideas to every decentralized site do not go back to those sites after the ideas are posted. I hope that isn't the case here.
I never said we shouldn't focus on it, I was just saying that at the moment there are other established projects we are working on and we need to focus on them first. We're doing shit that cells twice as big as ours and larger aren't doing, and since we have no events planned in August except the global on the 16th, we can possibly focus on that.
You need to understand that if we leave, eat, breathe, or sleep Chanology, we are not much better than the scilons at letting a cause or ideal completely take over our lives. For some people that only get one or two Saturdays a month off, even showing up to a global can be a huge committment. Flashraiding on your only day off a week can be a huge commitment. Every weekend in July San Diego Anon are having events, and it's a HUGE deal for alot of the anons here, even getting backup from Los Angeles. Global during Sci vs Spy, two flashraids a week, Pride Parade, Comic-Con.
If you have some free time then by all means, research or protest a WISE location or a NarCONon location or set up a raid. There doesn't need to be any general consensus but it's common sense that we focus on what we already have established until the end of this month. NarCONon, WISE, and the other front groups aren't going anywhere soon.
Last edited by Anonagi on Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:02 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : goddamned tpos) | |
| | | Char Aznable Wog Squad
Posts : 419 Join date : 2008-05-02 Location : TEH REI
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:42 pm | |
| And after all this we had our first victim of CCHR walk up to us.
it seems the re soliciting CCHR from inside Horton, no wonder the org seemed to have more activity today.
The person soliciting was named Nicole and for some reason she is in a wheel chair. She was reffering the person to CCHR in LA. | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:00 pm | |
| Just for the record I'd like to state that this is a good idea, one we wrap up current operations. | |
| | | N.A.T.E OT 2
Posts : 11 Join date : 2008-07-11
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:08 pm | |
| - Anon Char wrote:
- [size=24]Two, please don't swagger in here like a big shot posting an informative but severely TL;DR post, reason being we are smaller than the rest of the other factions of legion and we are doing just fine, considering our Org has turtled up ever since we started, and where only so bold last protest to send out their big guns and actual toss out an OT8 to disseminate their Anonz=bad flyers.
It's pretty hard to express my big shot swagger over the internet - everytime I try, my monitor almost tips over. Har har har. I'm not Paul Fetch and I'm not trying to take over the internets, or San Diego Anon cells. My big-shot 'introduction' is ala Troy McClure from The Simpsons, and is, like everything else Anonymous does, a joke. I figured that San Diego Anons can appreciate jokes and refurences, just like I can appreciate refurences to Lord of the Flies. Of course, I could write every post like a 14 year old sk8r who's failed all of his english/grammar courses since 3rd grade, but then who would read it? Seriously, you can relax now. - Anonagi wrote:
"This couldn't have been posted on Enturbulation? I admire your spirit for this type of stuff, but yeah. Posting this here is not going to get any groundwork done, it needs to go on Enturb." "My main issue with the post was that he was posting this EVERYWHERE on decentralized forums not as asking for help on focusing the issue, but that we should be focusing on it." Why post them on decentralized forums? Because Anonymous is decentralized. Also, it is posted on enturb. The only reason you could possibly believe that I was posting it "everywhere" is because you've seen it there - or, if you go by my saying that I'm putting it on "general anon discussion boards" is shorter and less obnoxious than listing the places I've put it up for discussion, but if you must have it annotated for you like a bad college essay then I would hardly count SD, NYC, and Enturb as "everywhere." So then why would I bring this copypasta to this board? Well... - Anonagi wrote:
San Diego is one of the smallest Anon cels and we're also one of the most effective in Chanology. We're the only ones who have successfully faked out our Org, we're putting together the largest outreach project to reach people so far in Chanology, we're publishing a comic book because nobody stepped up to do it beyond the "Hey would this be a good idea?" type thing, we flashraid at LEAST twice a week all with a very small group of Anons. TL;DR: San Diego doesn't talk. San Diego gets shit done. ...because this^ Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:13 pm | |
| Hey, I got nothing against the info, it's good! Forgive me if I offended. I've had to delete people's posts who have tried to fag up our forums with TLDR filled with rhetoric of where Anonymous SHOULD be going, and I thought this would end up being along the same thing. Chillax, even if we are on the same team, it's always fun to TK once in a while. | |
| | | N.A.T.E OT 2
Posts : 11 Join date : 2008-07-11
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:22 pm | |
| That's what /b/ is for. And MechWarrior. God I used to love shooting at my own teammates. My favorite kill was from one guy who I shot in the back, and who turned around and aimed straight at me while I kept walking toward a direction past him, so he must have thought it was an accident and turned around toward the same objective. Next shot killed him. Took down 3 other guys before they realized I was just there to fuck up their game. Anyway, this is not /b/ nor is it MechWarrior, and I can't apologize for the other "leaders" of anonymous who have showed up here trying to herd you all in their direction. But I might just join you for a couple of raids sooner or later, as I plan on taking my vacation in California sometime in the next couple of months and I'm interested in seeing how Chanology is being handled (effectively) in other cities. After the DC event, I plan on prodding the Narconon facilities in NYC. If you're still interested by then, I'll let you know how it goes. | |
| | | scarletbanner CLEAR
Posts : 509 Join date : 2008-05-16 Age : 107
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:27 pm | |
| - N.A.T.E wrote:
- That's what /b/ is for.
And MechWarrior. God I used to love shooting at my own teammates. My favorite kill was from one guy who I shot in the back, and who turned around and aimed straight at me while I kept walking toward a direction past him, so he must have thought it was an accident and turned around toward the same objective. Next shot killed him. Took down 3 other guys before they realized I was just there to fuck up their game. I've never been a big MechWarrior fan.. I much enjoyed TK'ing people in Starseige: Tribes. Or Counter-Strike. The lulz had with an aimbot and wall hacks... plus goatse sprays.. Sure, it's unfair but it's also hilarious to occasiionally troll like myg0t. Err, offtopic? Too late. | |
| | | Anonagi Admin
Posts : 346 Join date : 2008-05-02
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:46 pm | |
| Starsiege (THE MECHA GAME) for the win. | |
| | | N.A.T.E OT 2
Posts : 11 Join date : 2008-07-11
| Subject: Re: Expanding Operations Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:59 pm | |
| - Anonagi wrote:
- Starsiege (THE MECHA GAME) for the win.
I'll download it later. | |
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